tv Full Measure With Sharyl Attkisson CW October 2, 2016 11:00am-11:30am EDT
>> i remember, at one point, just actually thinking, "why on earth? i just cannot believe they are allowing this to happen." sharyl: what these women saw coming was the mortgage crisis that would plunge america into a deep recession in 2008. >> greed is what happened. it's the almighty dollar. scott: follow jahan mahmood long enough and you are bound to find yourself in what, over the years, has been a breeding ground of aspiring terrorists. your whole goal is to stop them from getting to the point that they actually go overseas? jahan: absolutely. sharyl: a rarely united congress rebukes president obama, in the end siding with the families of those who died on 9/11, including terry strada. >> we're going to be able to hold the people accountable that
[captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] ? sharyl: hello. i'm sharyl attkisson. welcome to "full measure." this week, the ceo of wells fargo was grilled on capitol hill over a multi-year scheme that enriched the bank by illegally opening two million sham accounts without customer'' permission. it seems to be an ongoing theme -- big banks behaving badly. a few years back it was lehman brothers -- the world's fourth largest bank -- until it got caught up in the mortgage crisis. today, we hear the disturbing story of what happened to three women who worked for lehman brothers and were calling the crash eleven years ago. these are the allegations from their court case.
happened. it's the almighty dollar and once that comes into play, people lose all consciousness and sense of right. sharyl: what these women saw coming was the mortgage crisis that would plunge america into a deep recession in 2008. but their story starts three years earlier at bnc mortgage in sacramento, california. starting in 2005, linda weekes noticed something fishy. she says loan officers from other companies began submitting loan applications to bnc with documents that were obviously doctored. linda: i found five in one day from the same company. sharyl: five notices that you thought fraud had been committed? linda: five loans that had falsified documentation in the loans in reference to income, bank statements, and job information. one of the five files, they used the same w-2, just changed the information on it.
coleen colombo: information was whited out and then retyped in and copied. linda: they ended up taking bank statements and instead of showing the actual deposit, maybe it was $1,000, it was now $11,000, or whatever they needed to do. sharyl: they didn't know it then, but it was happening nationwide. loan officers allegedly people for loans they probably couldn't afford. >> banks have conditioned us to trust them. sharyl: the story was told in "the big short," a movie released last december. >> the whole housing market is propped up by these bad loans. they will fail. >> the housing market is rock solid. >> it's a time bomb. sharyl: when someone's income is exaggerated, it's not doing them a favor, because it just means they're gonna have a house they can't really afford the payments on? linda: correct. >> correct. exactly. sharyl: it was their duty as reviewers of the loan applications to sound the alarm.
to their bosses and to bnc's parent company, wall street giant lehman brothers. coleen: we would bring it to corporate office attention. and they started pushing us away, telling us to quit calling them and bothering them. sharyl: cheryl mcneil claims in the lawsuit higher-ups retaliated by steering work to other employees. cheryl mcneil: i was closing, like, 25, 30 loans a month. and that's really good. when i started finding the fraud in the file and questioning it, the branch manager started retaliating against me. and because i was finding the fraud, then he started taking the files back slowly and giving it to another account manager. sharyl: does that affect your income? are you -- cheryl: it affects my income. it affects my production. management starts lookin' at me, 'cause my numbers are going down. each time i complained, nothing
like, it's -- it's not right. coleen: i remember, at one point, just actually thinking, "why on earth? i -- i just cannot believe they are allowing this to happen." these people are not going to be able to make the payments on these home. this is not good for the company in the long run, it's not good for the homeowners in the long run. and then it clicked, "oh, they don't care." it's greed. it's the bottom lin if they closed $10 million last month, let's do $15 million this month. and if you can't do it, you're out. sharyl: too many people in the mortgage industry were getting rich off the questionable loans. the women say the more they resisted what they saw as fraud, the more insistent their superiors became. so you guys were made into the bad guy when you were actually trying to help the company and the people and flag the fraud. coleen: yes.
linda: but we thought we were protectin' our company by soundin' the alarms. we really thought that they would embrace us and be happy and, like, "oh, thank you!" no. sharyl: with matters coming to a head, the women allege in their complaint, bnc brought in a mysterious account manager named daniel, who began stealing their files at night, they say, and harassing them mercilessly by day. linda: he walked past my office regularly with his hands in his pocket, simulating masturbation. i thought it was all in my mind. cheryl: we didn't know what daniel's role was in the office. he just walked around simulating masturbation. so one day, i remember, he just came over to my desk and he just scooted up against me, he started breathin' down my neck and made sexual references to me, like, he would like to be with a black woman. just a really, really creepy guy. sharyl: we were unable to reach daniel, who's a named defendant in the case. lehman brothers wouldn't agree
in the past, the company has said it hired an outside investigator to review the women's complaints about fraud, but found no evidence bnc employees were slipping falsified documents into loan files. in the lawsuit, weekes says a manager brushed her off her concerns about daniel. linda: i reported him. he did racial slurs to me. i reported those. and i said, "this is what daniel did." and he says, "oh, well, we call and he dismissed it all. sharyl: did you come to the conclusion that daniel was sent there to harass you and make you uncomfortable? coleen: yes. sharyl: so that you would leave? coleen: yes. because when we even went to corporate office asking, "who is this person and what is his position here? what does he do? we can't understand why he is here." and we were told, you know, basically, not to worry about it and, "do your job. and close your loans." sharyl: if the goal was to make the women quit, it worked. mcneil was first to go.
cheryl: just couldn't take it anymore. you know, it wasn't a good environment, it wasn't good on my health, you know. and it was very, very stressful. every day, you would just cry. it's -- 'cause you didn't know what was goin' to be happening to you. sharyl: weekes was soon behind her after a final close encounter with daniel alleged in the lawsuit. linda: daniel's in back of me with his hand on my shoulder, breathin' down my neck, askin' me can he help me and at the same time, he's pushin' his genitals against my backside. well, i lost it, because i had an immediate panic attack, immediately. and i just -- i thought i screamed. but they tell me i didn't. they just saw me run out of the office. sharyl: by september of 2005, six women had resigned from bnc. linda: we refused to participate. we refused to turn a blind eye. and we have a conscience. i have a conscience.
loan, i want it to be good for my company. more importantly, i want it to be good for the homeowner. and that's what got lost. sharyl: before long, the ceiling began to collapse on the mortgage industry. certainly not all foreclosures involved fraud. but here's one example of how homeowners got in way over their heads. in 2002, this california home sold for $301,000. in 2005, at the height of the bubble, it sold for more than double and bnc financed the records. by 2006, it was in foreclosure. bnc had made so many bad loans, lehman brothers shut it down in 2007 and then filed for bankruptcy protection itself in 2008. just like the women had feared and warned about, the chickens had come home to roost. coleen: and it was happening. and now look what it's done. it was almost surreal. it was, like, this is -- this is really happening. sharyl: they sued lehman brothers claiming wrongful termination, but the bankruptcy stalled their day in court. and so the very women who worked so hard to make sure people could keep their homes lost
coleen: you become labeled as a whistle blower. and mortgage companies don't wanna hire you because you're a risk. i wasn't able to find work. and that affected my whole life. i lost everything. cheryl: i lost my apartment, i lost my car. i was unable to, you know, send my son off to college. sharyl: gary gwilliam is the attorney representing the women in their law it sounds like these women were unknown players in "the big short"? mr. gwilliam: well, they were. but nobody paid any attention to them. it's now been over 10 years, almost 11, and their cases have languished in the largest bankruptcy in the history of the united states. sharyl: in an appearance before congress in 2008, former lehman brothers chairman richard fuld took responsibility for the collapse of lehman brothers and bnc, but denied misleading
bankrupt, our economy is in a state of crisis, but you get to keep $480 million. richard fuld: i believe my cash compensation was close to $60 million, which you have indicated here. and i believe the amount that i took out of the company over and above that was, i believe a little bit less than $250 million, still a large number though. sharyl: today, fuld is reported to have a mansion in greenwich, connecticut, and posh digs on florida's jupiter island. his sun valley, idaho estate linda: they still have their vacation homes. nothing has been upset for them. they're not being punished. we have been punished. we are still being punished. so i don't see why they should get off the hook when we tried to help them. this was the most devastating thing that could've happened to a great country such as this. it brought us to our knees. it collapsed our financial
they just wrote a whole new book and have been allowed to operate out of it. so i think it's unfair. sharyl: today, the country is recovering from the recession. and the women are hoping to reach a settlement with what's left of a liquidated lehman brothers. but life has taken a permanent turn. coleen: it's devastated me. my self-esteem -- i used to be a very competent, resourceful, and good underwriter. and i just don't have the confidence anymore. i don't -- i can't remember how -- the strength of that person that i used to be has gone. linda: it's -- it's so devastating. and people don't really realize. but to know her before, and to know her now, and to hear her say that, it's kinda painful. it -- it's very painful. because it's so unfair. it makes no sense to us.
court, has said in the past that it denies the women's complaints and intended to fight them. so far, settlement talks in this case have been unsuccessful. up next on "full measure" -- to stop home grown terrorists in the u.s., scott thuman takes us to britain, where a program to de-radicalize youth is showing
the father of rahami says he told the fbi two years ago he feared his son was a terrorist. this week, homeland security chief jeh johnson said the threat of "lone wolf" attacks, inspired by, but not officially linked to a terror group, keeps him up at night. a recent "full measure"/rasmussen reports poll asked, can the u.s. ever be safe from lone wolf attacks? almost three-quarters said no. to date, the terrorists are doing a better job recruitin than we are redeeming. scott thuman traveled to england to meet one man who is making a difference. >> where these young men are playing here, that's where i used to run a soccer club. scott: follow jahan mahmood long enough and you are bound to find yourself in, what over the years, has been a breeding ground of aspiring terrorists. jahan: the population here is predominantly muslim, more than 80%. they tend to come from areas of pakistan and kashmir. scott: on this day, he takes us
hours hour north of london, and where the former military history professor does most of his work trying to de-radicalize young men. jahan: i mean, in this area alone, this area at one point had the largest number of terror convictions in the country. scott: your whole goal is to stop them from getting to the point that they actually go overseas? jahan: absolutely. scott: you feel you're being successful? jahan: well, the people i do know of who i've stopped is seven. scott: like this 26-year old, who, to protect his identity, we're calling "cameron." >> when it all kicked off after september 11th. scott: and you wanted to get to the battlefield? >> i wanted to get to the battlefield. that was the main aim. scott: to fight back -- to kill british, to kill americans? >> of course, yeah, if that's what it would have taken, yeah. scott: that's what jahan is trying to temper. he says, in this area, where signs are often in urdu and
soccer fields, roughly 40% of those living here are under 18, they are impressionable, easy targets for isis recruiters. he recalls one instance involving a handful of teens. jahan: he was watching. he had, actually on his phone, he had downloaded the beheading of ken bigley, who was a british contractor in iraq, and i was shocked to see these young men, a number of them, huddled around watching and laughing. i just couldn't understand why they would laugh over the beheading of an innocent man. it just didn't make sense. scott: "the guardi claims 800 britons left the country last summer alone to fight with the terror group and just a week after our visit, four more alleged terrorists were arrested, two in this neighborhood. who did you want to fight with? >> it was obviously against the west. you know, because we felt like they were destroying people's lives. scott: you were angry against
at the time. scott: do you hear a lot of that, do you hear a lot of that anti-american sentiment? jahan: i hear it a lot. i mean i have to be honest with you is that i hear a lot of it, absolutely, and it's all based on conflicts in afghanistan, iraq, and syria. scott: to counter that through meetings sometimes organized at a local mosque or at this old pool hall, jahan shows them sobering, graphic pictures of jihadists killed in battle -- an example of what might come of them. and he points out that the terrorists often kill innocent muslims. that was a bit of a turning point for you, when you realized that muslims were also a target of the terrorists? >> yeah, definitely. it did make me think, whoa, why would i go out there? it would be stupid of me to go out there. scott: jahan says winning over even one potential jihadist can have an incalculable effect. jahan: here's a conversation i remember. here's your car keys. would you really hand them over to a local person? would you really do that? and yet, you're handing your
internet that you've never met before. why would you do that? scott: but there's no perfect formula for de-radicalizing and jahan could use all the allies he can get. imams, he says, are often falling short. jahan: i do feel that religious leaders have failed in their religious duty to try and make their communities safer and they've not been able to engage properly. scott: it is gaining the upper hand of controlling the message that will be essential to turning the tide of radicalization in britain, in europe, and in the united stat the wins will be measured by individuals, like cameron -- he's now 26, with a job, a wife, a child, and a future -- one he was on the brink of gambling away. you look back now and you think that you would have just been a number? >> yeah, definitely. i would have been a number and i would have been deleted at any time. sharyl: in this process of
want to kill innocent people? scott: keep in mind, they are preying on impressionable young men and they are focusing on any incident where the was the killing of an innocent or civilian muslim, say an accidental bombing at the hospital, and they point to the west and say, that is your enemy. sharyl: fascinating. thank you, scott. coming up, fbi director comey was called to congress this week about his email probe and we heard some surprisingly familiar questions about missing evidence.
sharyl: this week, congress questioned fbi director comey about giving five hillary clinton associates immunity from prosecution in her email investigation, including those allegedly involved in destroying evidence after it was subpoenaed. earlier this month, i combed through hundreds of fbi documents and compiled a list of missing or destroyed evidence, which i read to oversight committee chairman jason chaffetz, who's investigating the case.
fbi had no idea if it saw key hillary clinton emails. some of what they found was the clinton's apple personal server she used for work email couldn't be found, an apple mac book laptop -- >> an apple macbook laptop and thumb drive containing hillary clinton's email archives was lost. sharyl: this week, congressman john ratcliffe used my list in questioning fbi director james comey before the house judiciary committee. congressman ratcliffe: two blackberry devices provided to fbi didn't have their sim or sd data cards. 13 hillary clinton personal mobile devices were lost, discarded, or destroyed with a hammer, so the fbi clearly didn't examine those. various server backups were deleted over time, so the fbi couldn't examine them. after those e-mails were subpoenaed, hillary clinton's e-mail archive was also permanently deleted from the platte river network with bleachbit, so the fbi did not look at that. and also after the subpoena, the backups of the platte river server were manually deleted. now, director, hopefully that list is substantially accurate because it comes from your own documents.
very long list to me says obstruction of justice. collectively, they scream obstruction of justice. and to ignore them really allows, i think, not just reasonable prosecutors, but reasonable people to believe that maybe the decision on this was made a long time ago not to prosecute hillary clinton. dir. comey: to ignore that which we don't have? we're in a fact-based world. we make our evaluations based on the evidence we're able to gather using the tools that we have. so it's hard for me to react to these things that you don't have. so that's my reaction to it. sharyl: in defense of the fbi's investigation, comey said, "you can call us wrong, but don't call us weasels." still ahead, congress takes a stand and overturns a presidential veto involving 9/11 victims. who really won -- when we
sharyl: in an historic vote this week, congress overturned allowing the families of 9/11 victims to sue saudi arabia for any role in the islamic extremist terrorist attack. it's the first time congress has overridden president obama. he did not take the rejection well. president obama: i think it was a mistake. and i understand why it happened. sharyl: president obama's that said that he vetoed the 9/11 bill because it could lead to foreign countries suing the u.s. in their courts.
override of the veto is a victory for the families, including terry strada, who spoke to us several times over the past year in the saudi's role in financing the 9/11 attacks. her husband died in the 9/11 attacks. >> he was a wonderful father, he went to work that day and never came home like thousands of people. we have also been fighting for this. we fight for our children and the futures. this is about accountability. it is a lesson i been trying to teach my children. we want to teach all of our children. now this is coming true for them. we are going to be a to hold people accountable that were behind the 9/11 attacks. sharyl: the new law cancels foreign countries' immunity in -- from american lawsuits. now u.s. citizens can sue foreign nations if they are found to possibly have taken part in terror attacks in the u.s.. coming up next week on "full measure" -- everyday there's a new poll to predict who will be the next president of the united states. we take a look at the science and the history of why you can't always trust the numbers. thanks for watching.
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